hey guys.... ok... so my friend is saying that he wants to go back to the meetings because his conscience is killing him.. and he's quoting heb 10:26 that if you sin willfully.... any suggestions.. serious comments only please..
Willing to sacrifice yourself for the protection of your weaker siblings against evenHim if nessesary. Could just be the "sacrifice"to end all sacrifices in His eyes and court anyway.
I am under the opinion that he would like us to protect others rather then judge and condemn them.
Do you want your older children judging and condemning the weaker younger ones?
Would you be proud of them if they did this?
Or ashamed?
Have you ever seen a Nephilim?
Just wondering....
i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".
such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.
there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.
How many JW's would put their eternal salvation at risk to protect their weaker siblings from God Himself?
Even if it meant facing eternal damnation by doing so?
Would you betray God to protect your little brothers and sisters from Him and His fury?
How do you think He would reward a human who dared put himself/herself between Him and His plans for their destruction?
How would you feel if your oldest child stood up to you and refused to let you beat on their little sister?
Would you consider him a traitor? Or would you be extremely proud of him? or both?
hey guys.... ok... so my friend is saying that he wants to go back to the meetings because his conscience is killing him.. and he's quoting heb 10:26 that if you sin willfully.... any suggestions.. serious comments only please..
First.....we would have to find an undisputable answer to what "sin" is to God..not other men's guesses as to what it is.....then see who is still wanting to do it....
Whatever it may be....
Who is the only one who hold the answer to that?
Do you want my guesses if I present them to you as undisputable facts? What good would they do for you if I am wrong? In the Supreme Authority's eyes and opinion? would my judgement and guess mean anything in THAT court?
Basically...you can try to be "right" in my eyes or "court"...but it will not do you any good in my Boss's eyes or "court". So why waste your time trying to live up to my expectations?
i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".
such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.
there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.
How can they continue if we find undisputable answers together?
Would that not be their "end"?
Is it possible if we put aside our petty differences and boundries and learn to work together for a common goal?
Or is it left up to someone else to protect them from themselves?
is this basically the the way the game is being played?
a man steps up and claims to have been given secret information from god..concerning his thoughts and wishes for us?
the man is then an authority over his less endowed brethern.
Exactly.
Now how do you tell if they are for real or not?
If they were could they ever be stumped on a question? Or run from one?
If the demand for answers overcomes their "secret information"....how can they be unable to keep up if they were for real?
i've known two professional magicians in my lifetime.. one was a friend and the other was a very close friend.. both would discuss magic with me at different times.
each was devoted to protecting the secrecy necessary to maintain the brotherhood of illusion.. however, i am a curious person.
i am challenged by the unknown.
Go from being fooled to becoming the "fooler"? sounds like you have some sort of admiration for them.
misled to a misleader?
There seems to be many people that can train you in that...."if the price is right"?
i've known two professional magicians in my lifetime.. one was a friend and the other was a very close friend.. both would discuss magic with me at different times.
each was devoted to protecting the secrecy necessary to maintain the brotherhood of illusion.. however, i am a curious person.
i am challenged by the unknown.
If someone in the crowd who had inside information from the magician and the tricks hopped up in the middle of the performance..and started telling others what he was really doing as he was doing it(or "truth").....would he be hated or appluaded? Would he be considered a "tratior" to the magician who trained and shared information with him?
Think REAL hard about that for a second......
Now tell me what I am trying to say...if you can grasp it.....
Figure that man in the crowd out.....what is his motivation for doing that? How can he possibly justify it?
i see this all the time!
people present their guesses into an unknown subject like god's mind and thoughts and plans as answers and truth.. but yet condemn others like the wt for doing it to them and label it "brainwashing" when they do it and it is brought out into the open for all to see.. problem is...when you present your guesses as answers..an answer is the end of a guess..and hinders others who trust you from searching further to find an answer..everyone loses that way and you actually "brainwash" others without really meaning to.
i propose an experiment..i have to work and take care of my short term needs right now..and cannot be on here 24/7 to catch these and expose them before they get out of hand...could i have some volenteers to help look for these guesses and remind others what they are...and we can see what the result is of looking out for one another like this.
I am all about finding and attacking "sources" of problems...fighting the "results" is a time consuming approach that does not yeild the results I am looking for...We need some answers...not guesses presented as answers.
I suspect this is a "source" of our many problems...and need some help finding out if I am right about it or not. That is a huge undertaking that I am not capable of doing by myself. I cannot really see it being "wrong" in any way either.(but again I cannot see into the future) Just a gut feeling at this point.
Also at this point what do we have to lose by trying something different in the quest for answers?
i've known two professional magicians in my lifetime.. one was a friend and the other was a very close friend.. both would discuss magic with me at different times.
each was devoted to protecting the secrecy necessary to maintain the brotherhood of illusion.. however, i am a curious person.
i am challenged by the unknown.
Are you stating as a fact we know what is good and evil is to God?
Or do you lean on other mens judgement to point it out for you? Think they know?
guesses....guesses...guesses.....come on now.
Keep it real...and stick with what you truly do know....don't pretend to know something you really don't...would you want someone to do that to you?
